I'm torn between the Q5 SF Pro vs the CZ Shadow 2. It's the bar for me for all pistols since I got it. Clear editor. The shadow is cheaper and hammer fired which is a bonus in my eyes. They really missed the a chance to make that gun perfect! It just matter of preference, nobody can tell you what you'll like better. fits in glock holsters. My wife used one for a bit. The Walther puts you in Limited, where as the Shadow 2 can be shot in limited or production. We took it to the range and used X-Hunt Targets awesome reactive targets to see just how well the Q5 Match stood up. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} I like the Glock ergonomics. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}.icon._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;vertical-align:middle;padding-right:8px}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} In my mind, there's no perfect gun. The PHLster Classic. I have the Canik TP9SFx and highly recommend it. microham 18 shot(s) Grip. We have played with some for Bianchi and can get sub 3" groups at 50. Springfield does have the, I just bought one of these for USPSA production. CZ Shadow 2 vs Walther Q5 Match Steel Frame - If I Could Only Have One. you can do it pick one you like and run forest run , stop shoot then run forest run . I like what it is. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Initially not thinking Open. By It may not display this or other websites correctly. If you have larger hands the Q5SF would be my choice. He never got top 5 with his gl-yuck. TNX! Looking for honest thoughts from those who have shot both or have both etc. They are very comfortable to me. It's oversprung in the recoil spring department. I'd say, if you have smaller hands the Accushadow might be the way to go. Weight? I switched to CZ and Tanfoglios and had trigger return springs break on both on them in matches. Was a really tough decision. Rowdyd I think hit the nail on the head. Q5 is going to be easier to take apart, swap parts. Q5 SF is most accurate, most fun, best lookin hand gun i own. Very happy with my decision. Upload or insert images from URL. However, I would have to put the CZ on safe manually or clear prior to dumping, so it is one more thing to think about or takes up time. ._1aTW4bdYQHgSZJe7BF2-XV{display:-ms-grid;display:grid;-ms-grid-columns:auto auto 42px;grid-template-columns:auto auto 42px;column-gap:12px}._3b9utyKN3e_kzVZ5ngPqAu,._21RLQh5PvUhC6vOKoFeHUP{font-size:16px;font-weight:500;line-height:20px}._21RLQh5PvUhC6vOKoFeHUP:before{content:"";margin-right:4px;color:#46d160}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK,._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{display:inline-block;word-break:break-word}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK{font-weight:500}._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK,._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{font-size:12px;line-height:16px}._244EzVTQLL3kMNnB03VmxK{font-weight:400;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin-top:13px;margin-bottom:2px}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO ._22W-auD0n8kTKDVe0vWuyK{font-size:12px;font-weight:400;line-height:16px;margin-right:4px;margin-left:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y{border-radius:4px;box-sizing:border-box;height:21px;width:21px}._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y:nth-child(2),._2xkErp6B3LSS13jtzdNJzO .je4sRPuSI6UPjZt_xGz8y:nth-child(3){margin-left:-9px} Been shooting the X5 legion and really liking it. Sig Sauer P320 FCU Unboxing & Review Is This for You. My new gun will be here in a few weeks. I think you could be happy with either, but the grip feel was different enough both guns that is probably worth finding folks locally that have, and trying it out to see which grip you prefer. With experience you figure out what works/doesnt work, what you like/what you dont like. - Walther Q5 SF Black Ribbon. Walther Q5 Match SF Striker-Fired Competition Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger Check Price vs CZ Shadow 2 DA/SA Full-Sized Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger Check Price Dimensions Details Capacity Dimensions Customary Metric Side-by-Side Comparison Charts Customary Metric How do these two handguns stack up against eachother? CZ. FBiH - Konkursi za turistike vodie i voditelje putnike agencije. The only thing different with the SF is the frame is made of steel and while that's obvious and in the name the only benefit to it is added weight which can be achieved with the standard Q5 in other ways (though those ways aren't usually legal for IDPA/USPSA if that matters to you; and if that matters to you keep reading) if it doesn't matter to you buy plastic PPQ and attach a barrel weight to it. A buddy and I tested both a few weeks ago. I've had several. I suggest you try both and see what is a better match for you. Still not sure if I made the right call, but I can always pick up a Q5 later. Wish I could have rented a CZ shawdow 2 and sig 320 legion X while I was there. I prefer the hammer fire guns i own over both my walther sf and sig p320 x5 legion but that just me. For my hands I have never like Walther PPQ ergonomics. If the DA/SA is a problem, the Q5 is the choice. They really missed the a chance to make that gun perfect! Now I have a decision to make. (Well, a close paraphrase.). They are not bad. The Q5 SF had nice heft but felt lighter than my CZ (I'm also running brass grips). Q5 SF comes in with 2 Months in Europe Pfff US has European gun earlier Stick to my Shadows I guess just very curious.. Starting at Just $70. Beretta 92X Performance (not on the roster yet) 4. The Q5 had better ergos and a better trigger. Personal preference will all be down to do you want to manipulate and external safety off the draw? Do you prefer Call of Duty or Battlefield? Opinions on competition guns: Walther PPQ Match Q5 SF M2 vs CZ Shadow 2 Orange guns First post. 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Regular Price $949 . ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} MSRP is $900 and you can get them for $825 which is cheap enough you can buy spare mags and a case of 9mm and still be cheaper than the PPQ SF. Press J to jump to the feed. They're great! I'll probably cross post this to the NJ/USPSA sub, but having lurked here for some time, there are some diverse opinions of interest. ._2ik4YxCeEmPotQkDrf9tT5{width:100%}._1DR1r7cWVoK2RVj_pKKyPF,._2ik4YxCeEmPotQkDrf9tT5{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center}._1DR1r7cWVoK2RVj_pKKyPF{-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center;max-width:100%}._1CVe5UNoFFPNZQdcj1E7qb{-ms-flex-negative:0;flex-shrink:0;margin-right:4px}._2UOVKq8AASb4UjcU1wrCil{height:28px;width:28px;margin-top:6px}.FB0XngPKpgt3Ui354TbYQ{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:start;align-items:flex-start;-ms-flex-direction:column;flex-direction:column;margin-left:8px;min-width:0}._3tIyrJzJQoNhuwDSYG5PGy{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;width:100%}.TIveY2GD5UQpMI7hBO69I{font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;color:var(--newRedditTheme-titleText);white-space:nowrap;overflow:hidden;text-overflow:ellipsis}.e9ybGKB-qvCqbOOAHfFpF{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;width:100%;max-width:100%;margin-top:2px}.y3jF8D--GYQUXbjpSOL5.y3jF8D--GYQUXbjpSOL5{font-weight:400;box-sizing:border-box}._28u73JpPTG4y_Vu5Qute7n{margin-left:4px} The magwell isn't as beveled as it could be. Walther PPQ Q5 Match M1 9mm Pistol, Black - 2846977 . It is an all around great platform to get started. I love walther ergonomics and the ppq is my favorite handgun to shoot in my collection. I did full Cajun Gunworks internals and their barrel bushing. Fill disclosure: I compete with a Gen4 Glock 34 MOS. discussions around Walther firearms including but not limited to the PPK, PPK/S, PP, P38, PPQ, PPS, P99, PPX, CCP, PK380, P22, G22, WA2000, VG, G43, G41, MP, CREED, and Q5 Match. I like the Shadow 2 the best out of the two. It's like an oz lighter than a Shadow 2 which makes it 2 oz heavier than the PPQ SF (basically they all weigh about the same) which soaks up recoil, has a better out of the box trigger by a large and noticeable margin, with amazing sights, is ready to mount a red dot, and is cheaper than either the PPQ SF or Shadow 2 by a lot. Walther Q5 Match SF M2 9mm Steel Frame Pistol In Stock Brand: Walther; Item Number: 2846942; Walther PDP Compact Pro SD 9mm Pistol with 4.6 Inch Threaded Barrel $829.00 $799.00; In Stock Brand: Walther; Item Number: 2844176; Walther PPK/S 380 ACP Pistol with Black Finish and White Pearl Grips $919.99; In Stock . If you want an amazing trigger, sights, fit and finish and a steel frame and want to shoot USPSA Production get a CZ Shadow 2 (Which is cheaper than the PPQ SF), or Shadow 2 orange. Theyre both great guns. That said I still don't like the feel. If you are someone who prefers a striker fired gun andthe simplicity of the same trigger pull no matter what, the Q5 SF is very nice. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Vid here: https://youtu.be/uOvhoF3i15k._3K2ydhts9_ES4s9UpcXqBi{display:block;padding:0 16px;width:100%} I really comes down to user preference. Now I'm left handed and I feel walther is better for left handed people. I'd swap sights and bevel the magwell a little more. Cowden, Illinois. The gun I received is called the Black Tie. When it comes to better for competition, it doesnt really matter what someone else thinks as long as its a mainstream competition gun. (South/CentralNOT Chicago!! It will also make you have to fire your first shot double action. ._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa{margin-top:8px}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa ._3EpRuHW1VpLFcj-lugsvP_{color:inherit}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa svg._31U86fGhtxsxdGmOUf3KOM{color:inherit;fill:inherit;padding-right:8px}._3Z6MIaeww5ZxzFqWHAEUxa ._2mk9m3mkUAeEGtGQLNCVsJ{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;color:inherit} Though, the CZ isn't ddifficul. SIG comes to mind. Isn't the accu shadow legal only in ESP? It gave me around a 5lb DA trigger pull and around a 2lb SA trigger pull. Put in the Apex trigger and it ran fine. The shop had it and a Q5 match today. JavaScript is disabled. The X5 had much better build quality IMO. BLACK DIAMOND. CZ is now importing an optics ready model now as well, which is allowed for USPSA carry optics division. I'd swap sights and bevel the magwell a little more. 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